displaying NATO IDs

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displaying NATO IDs

Postby grwebster » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:57 pm

I have spent several full days re-cataloging and photographing my US ID model collection- more on this later, but US IDs are rather easy to display 'flying' thanks to the CG hole through the fuselage, you just need a lot of ceiling and some wire.
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With the post war metal ID models, usually referred to as NATO IDs, it is another matter. These models, which I believe were mostly made by M.Verkuyl of Holland {or perhaps Raise Up -Chris do you know the history?}, did not have a 'hanging hole' but normally have a single threaded hole on the bottom. Nor did they have any stamping or other marks identifying the aircraft or the date of issue.
I have some of these that I have acquired over the years but hanging them is rather cumbersome.
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My solution is to create a bailing wire cradle like this
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SO..... does anyone have another way to do this?
What about the history of these models?
How were they used in service?
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Re: displaying NATO IDs

Postby ramseyd » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:48 pm

GR,
I bought some black waxed cord and formed a loop, which is used around the wings to hold the model. I preferred wax cord in place of wire as I was concerned wire might damage (scratch) the planes. I believe that the original cord used to hang the Cruver planes was brown waxed cord. I thought the black is less noticeable from the bottom. I have a picture of a B-29 whose wings were starting to sag. I used the cord to relieve the weight of the wings and hopefully tend to straighten the wings a little. In that photo, you will also notice I still have the center cord as a secondary hanging, although most of the weight is on the wing cord.

The Other photos show the looped wax cord, and how I was hanging an A-26 using this simple loop. You can experiment with the cord. I have one plane that wraps around the wing so that it can not slip out.

You might also notice from the first photo that I use a three part system to hang. I have drywall screws in the ceiling with wire running between the screws. I have either fish line or the same wire (for the heavier models) hanging down. On the ends of these I have fashioned "S" hooks from white coat hangers. These are tied (fishing line) or wrapped (wire) on one side of the S hook. The black cord has a small loop tied at the top and knot tied underneath the hole in the middle of the Cruvers (the light weight ones) I can easily move these around or take down to examine, etc.

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Re: displaying NATO IDs

Postby fliegerii » Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:22 pm

grwebster wrote:or perhaps Raise Up -Chris do you know the history?


It was Verkuyl. As far as I know, only the Dutch Army was his customer, so there are not that many models around. I remember the Verkuyl IDs being painted black. Also British forces used metal ID in 1/72, but from another (UK based?) maker.

The Verkuyl IDs are perfect in shape.

Check this for more information about Verkuyl:

http://members.chello.nl/m.waterloo/mat ... odels.html
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Re: displaying NATO IDs

Postby grwebster » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:44 pm

Chris your depth of info is amazing and greatly appreciated.
the site you mentioned is very well done. I did read on that site that Verkuyl made metal some 1:50 scale C-5 models for Lockheed and other versions for American Airlines and the author was not aware of any other civil airline variants. I have a United version and offered to sent photos if needed.
here it is.
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I also have some of the metal masters from Verkuyl. These came from Alan Turner in Amsterdam who established a friendship with M.M. Verkuyl and obtained a lot of parts, transfer/decals, and models with handwritten notations.
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I just grabbed a few models in black aluminum that may be the Dutch ID models Chris mentioned.
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and this one which looks like Kurt Tank's design for the Indian AF, called the HF-24 Marut {???}
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those black models have no information on them but this model does
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Re: displaying NATO IDs

Postby grwebster » Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:00 pm

Regarding Kurt Tank's design for the Indian Air Force, HF-24 Marut, mentioned in the above post, the model is obviously a Supermarine Swift but they are similar.

here are some images of the little known Tank design
http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/b/b5 ... -Marut.jpg
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... s%3Disch:1
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Re: displaying NATO IDs

Postby Dakota » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:27 am

The black metal NATO ID's (Verkuyl made) were not exclusive to the Dutch AF. The Belgian AF was a major customer. Many black ID's are displayed in the Brussels Air Museum. I had several of these in the past. Sometimes they appear at local swapmeets.
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